MCA/TMCC Lease: An analogy

One of the aspects of MCA Homeowners’ subsidy of TMCC that some have trouble getting their mind around is the value of the assets which TMCC got for $10/year and now pays about net $15,000/year (we think!).

Here is a way to think about it. “Ted McCarthy” (TMcC) owns a used car that isn’t in great shape that he uses for his taxi business. Ted’s business isn’t doing well because he doesn’t have enough clients, and he can’t afford his car payments. Ted can’t keep going. So “Mike C Anderson” (MCA) buys his car from him. Mike had some money in the bank but he had to use all that and take out a significant loan that will take him quite a while to pay back. (2018 MCA purchase of sports complex assets from TMCC to retain control of the greenspace)

THEN Mike gives the car back to Ted for $10!/year. Ted will pay for the gas but gets to use the car to earn income so he gets all the benefits of the car for nothing. Mike doesn’t get to use the car at all. Ted indicates this is just a 3-year arrangement and he’ll pay Mike a proper lease payment after that. (2018-2021 lease)

AND Mike agrees to pay for all repairs beyond minor maintenance, which is going to add up. It is an old car and Ted didn’t maintain it well because he couldn’t afford to. And Ted isn’t making enough money to pay for repairs anyways. (2018-2021 and subsequent leases)

This made no financial sense for Mike, but he hoped this would help out Ted and eventually Ted would pay Mike a fair and reasonable fee for the use of the car.
(Sorry can’t think of a good “keep control of the greenspace” analogy here but that was a legit benefit for MCA Homeowners when TMCC was going under)

BUT a year later Ted is still not doing well even though he only has to pay for the gas. So Mike agrees to pay Ted a substantial annual fee so he can use the car on the 3rd Saturday of the month after noon when Ted isn’t using it. There are a lot of other times Ted isn’t using it, but Mike can only use it at that specific time. (Renaissance Access Plan/subsidy)

After 3 years, and despite getting the car for $10/year AND getting the additional annual fee Mike pays to Ted, Ted is still barely making ends meet. So despite Ted’s promises to pay him a fair rate after the first 3 years, Mike gives it to Ted under the same terms for ANOTHER 3 years (2021-2024 lease).

Ted is supposed to do oil changes and tire rotations to keep the car like when he got it, but he is short of funds so he doesn’t do the required appropriate maintenance. (poor maintenance of Highlands and under-maintenance of facilities which are becoming apparent and turning into a replacement cost)

The car is now in rough shape due to under-maintenance before Mike bought the car and since. Ted saved money by not doing the required maintenance. Last summer, Ted had 3 unexpected car accidents (hurricanes) resulting in cumulative damage to the car. Mike now has to pay to replace the engine, fix the major accident repairs, AND Ted still continues to use the car for free.
($2 million for Meadows & Groves work + Regency room. Fitness facility part of $4 million MCLWF, $3.7 million Clubhouse work coming. Many millions more on course and facility updating being referred to by TMCC Board and Management)

Both Ted and Mike had hopes that someday Ted would do the major repairs but realistically isn’t going to change. Ted hasn’t been able to afford major repairs for more than a decade. Mike will have to fund EVERYTHING so Ted can use the car the way he wants to. (TMCC doesn’t generate enough income to fund the maintenance and replacement of the aging sports complex assets)

Mike’s family has been understandably upset about the annual fee that he doesn’t get much for. So Mike tries to make it less obvious how much he is helping Ted. Mike starts paying for some of the gas Ted uses instead of paying the annual fee, and tells his family that he is now paying less to Ted (MCA hiding subsidizing TMCC by paying TMCC’s normal business expenses: Property taxes, insurance, MCA assessment, and possibly more).

Why would Mike do all that?
Seems like Mike is really letting himself be taken advantage of
Here is what we are told by TMCC and members of the MCA Board:

Without Ted operating it, the car wouldn’t exist
(=We need TMCC to have golf courses and green space.)
Reality: All the facilities can exist and be run without TMCC, likely as a semi-private golf facility. Tennis might still be member-only if demand continued to be sufficient. TMCC supporters regularly imply that the golf courses won’t exist and our property values will plummet if it doesn’t remain as a private club. Hogwash. Ownership and control of the greenspace is important to MCA Homeowners, not the existence of TMCC.

Without Ted, Mike would have to pay for all the gas.
(=TMCC pays $9 million of expenses per year to run the golf courses that MCA would have to pay if TMCC didn’t exist)
Reality: this is technically true but highly misleading as it is only half the story.
TMCC earns roughly $9 million of revenue using MCA’s assets for (near) free. If TMCC wasn’t in the picture, MCA would have overall responsibility for the sports complex operation. MCA could continue with ICON managing the golf courses in a semi-private model and probably some committee structure like TMCC has. TMCC is NOT saving us $9 million per year as TMCC and MCA Board implies.

Ted is Mike’s neighbor and should financially support Ted
(= MCA and TMCC “belong together”. MCA “needs” to support TMCC)
Hogwash. TMCC is a private club. Every other private club has to be self-sustaining through dues and assessments.
Only 5.6% of Meadows homes are TMCC golf members (which is the problem area that we subsidize as a private club). (94.4% of Meadows households don’t have a TMCC golf member).
We are subsidizing a private club for very small number of Meadows residents and a similar number of non-Meadows residents.

Mike doesn’t want to operate a taxi business
(= MCA doesn’t want to operate the sports complex)
Heard this aloud for the first time at the Nov 14 MCA Board meeting and it rings
TRUE. But responsibility for owning the sports complex is what the MCA Board took on in 2018 when it purchased those assets, and it acknowledged as much at the time. It has been very convenient for the MCA to give it to TMCC to manage, and TMCC is more than happy to do so, especially under such favourable conditions.

We recognize that taking responsibility for ownership of the assets is a REALLY REALLY BIG DEAL. It would likely need additional committees, perhaps similar to the structure of TMCC’s current committees. But that is the path MCA must take to get us to a viable entity that is best for MCA Homeowners. We recognize that the MCA Board does not have the skills to figure this out, and that is why MCA should get independent professional advice.

It is difficult to convey what a crazy and unfair “relationship” this is
(talk about an abusive relationship!). But we hope this analogy is helpful in understanding it. (analogies are always imperfect but this one is fair)

Please share this post and our website with your friends and neighbors.

The step forward to change this is to for director candidates who are not TMCC members.


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21 responses to “MCA/TMCC Lease: An analogy”

  1. mitchw12 Avatar
    mitchw12

    thanks for detailing ..think everyone understands that

    what is not clear is why this has been okay by mca board members who were /are tmcc members and rest of tmcc members enjoying benefits when they all knew they were paying below costs using residents money

    sounds criminal ..misuse of funds for private benefit..call district attorney ..after a couple of years it was clear that tmcc could not exist without mca residents money this was no longer mismanagement but a scheme to support themselves and other club members

    and that weren’t even polite about it. So cheap they couldn’t even afford that

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      TMCC members have been the predominant candidates and MCA Homeowners elected them (or they were acclaimed like last year). To a large extent MCA Homeowners have been apathetic and asleep at the wheel. We need to change that.
      BUT TMCC members have not been upfront about their membership as a candidate or as a Board member. We’ll make sure you are informed of who among the 9 candidates are the 5 TMCC members. We’ll post something soon.
      AND MCA has used its communication power to advocate against the “outsider” candidates that they didn’t want in 2023. They need to keep their foot off the scales this year.

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      1. mitchw12 Avatar
        mitchw12

        thanks for doing this..

        these people of tmcc and mca it seems knew the finances of tmcc weren’t being adequately met yet still continued subsidizing private tmcc membership system..

        you could reason the first 2 years were learning curve but the last 4 years clearly show they were in over their heads yet continued to continue taking money from many for the benefit of a few

        I don’t think people were complacent. Covid came.weather changed lowering income and most likely no one could believe these successful people would it appears deliberately take advantage of their position and then confuse facts and cover up their miscalculation or is it now could be considered misdeeds

        mca needs to get out of running a business they can’t be successful at and just take care of maintenance of the Meadows grounds the pool the fitness meeting center great..that’s plenty to do

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  2. rotor1851e Avatar
    rotor1851e

    Yes, I have to agree with the last comment by mitch. That was a very good analogy and well explained. I agree, there are a lot of questions that have some serious issues which as the writer suggested it needs an independent body to look into.

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  3. Ken Shepard Avatar
    Ken Shepard

    Does the RAP still cost us (the MCA) about $600,000 per year ($184,800 direct payments + some $415,000 for property taxes/insurance we pay?) The MCA board keeps trying to sell the notion that the $185,000 direct payment is all we pay. I know this takes a lot of time, so thank you for being a watchdog for all of us.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      For 2024 we believe the answer is YES. MCA is also not receiving an estimated $50,000 MCA assessment from TMCC. All other independent businesses in The Meadows pay this normal business expense. The Treasurer and the TMCC president indicated they are budgeting no fee in 2025. We speculate that this probably reflects that the insurance premiums on the leased facilities has gone up and MCA may be paying more business expenses of TMCC. So now the total of the TMCC business expenses paid by MCA exceed $600,000.
      BEST WAY TO THANK US (and help yourself) IS INFORMING YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS BEFORE THEY VOTE FOR BOARD CANDIDATES.

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      1. Catherine Duffy Avatar
        Catherine Duffy

        This is very interesting. Will do.

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  4. lovelywrdsf3984b059b Avatar
    lovelywrdsf3984b059b

    Thank you…great analogy !!!!!!!!!! Ciao, Susan Whitcomb  (941) 228-0152 ” Two things define you . Your patience when you have nothing, and your attitude when you have everything. “

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  5. lisi5f0a56d8f76 Avatar
    lisi5f0a56d8f76

    EXCELLENT analysis and analogy!
    I spit out my coffee at the

    “BUT a year later Ted is still not doing well even though he only has to pay for the gas. So Mike agrees to pay Ted a substantial annual fee so he can use the car on the 3rd Saturday of the month after noon when Ted isn’t using it. There are a lot of other times Ted isn’t using it, but Mike can only use it at that specific time.”

    They are treating us like uneducated, disobedient children… We have a voice and we need to use it! Has anybody contacted any news media? They would have a field day with us.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      Ya we’ve always thought that “access” to the Members/Meadows course was the answer to: “OK, we need to give them SOME access, but what is the most trivial and insulting access we could give them?”
      Having said that, increased MCA Homeowner access to that course would just a pacifier. It is not close to a solution.

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      1. lisi5f0a56d8f76 Avatar
        lisi5f0a56d8f76

        VERY insulting! Wouldn’t they get more revenue from us homeowners who aren’t members of the country club and could play several days a week and one day on the weekend?
        And I’m not sure if you a member I’m the one that posted that after Covid when I couldn’t afford the country club dues (I was a member for about a year) As the main course was closed, nobody could do anything during Covid and I just couldn’t see giving the country club money for something I couldn’t use. And then around six months later and to access the membership. I was told and no, I’m certain terms that that was not allowed and they wouldn’t even even make an exception for Covid.

        they literally cut their nose to spite their face

        I would’ve spent probably over $1000-$2000 that summer.

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      2. Website Admin Avatar

        These are the kind of things that private clubs do when they are flush and don’t need money. And TMCC doesn’t need more member money when they have MCA as their piggy bank and have enough TMCC members in key position on the MCA Board.

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  6. Louise Thorkelson Avatar
    Louise Thorkelson

    Excellent! I just called the MCA to find out about the board meeting today as it wasn’t posted

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  7. feivelpitumblog Avatar

    Hi…I’ve been receiving your emails (i.e. following your blog) for a while now.
    I’m wondering: who are you? Can you please tell us who it is writing all of these many blog posts. I can’t find that information anywhere, but perhaps I don’t know where to look.
    I agree with you that transparency from the MCA and the MCC is important. I’d like to get the same from your blog.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      We’re just homeowners like you who are way past tired of being the piggy bank for a private club and decided to let people know what is going on.
      We discussed anonymity in this post: https://sarasotameadows.com/2024/03/02/our-response-to-tmccs-recent-email-to-members/ and we think it is worth a read. Transparency and anonymity are actually two very different things.
      Transparency is about disclosure of relevant facts and information that should reasonably be available. We are trying to fill gaping holes of information that are relevant to MCA Homeowners. We are disclosing both TMCC and MCA information we can obtain.
      Anonymity is more about who posts the opinion. Identity and verifiable credentials would be important if we were presenting opinions as “expert opinions”, but we are not doing that. Anonymity does not change the truth of the facts which is the most important thing.

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    2. lhaynesh2 Avatar

      Funny how transperency is important to some, especially the MCA, TMCC and club members. The difference I see as a common Property owner is the MCA and the TMC are asking for my money annually and spending it in ways I don’t personally agree with. You my friend your cost me nothing but provides me with answers and detail the the MCA or the TMCC would never dream of giving to the commoner that is paying their bills and spending our income we should be receiving from our investment as they please. Looks pretty transparent to me.

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  8. texandhub Avatar
    texandhub

    Who ever you are..you have done an amazing job of laying out the issues. Thank you for your hard work and common sense.

    Mary Betten, Sheffield Greene

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      We’re just homeowners like you who are way past tired of being the piggy bank for a private club and decided to let people know what is going on.
      But the only thing that will actually cause changes is enough homeowners getting their friends and neighbors involved by expressing themselves to the MCA Board and voting for candidates who want our sports complex assets to be used for our benefit, not private club members (unless they really pay for it and they clearly can’t/won’t).

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  9. […] a recent post we provided an analogy of the lease of MCA’s sports complex assets to TMCC. If you haven’t read that please click the link and give it a read. It will be good context […]

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  10. Larry Witten Avatar
    Larry Witten

    Since TMCC can’t generate enough revenue to cover their expenses, they should change to a semi private golf course. The Meadows Residents have subsidized TMCC for too long.

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  11. lhaynesh2 Avatar

    But when will we the Property owners (Meadows Residents) and owners of the Recreational Property in question. Finally wake up and stand up to the minority (MCA Board) dictatorial control that we currently deal with.

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