Where do we need to be & how do we get there?

If there are any inaccuracies in this post, let us know at  ForTheMeadows@SarasotaMeadows.com and we’ll fix it.

Where would we like to be

MCA Homeowners want to minimize what they pay to keep their greenspace. Ideally this is keeping all the courses open and we should continue to work towards that outcome until all reasonable options have been exhausted.

It would also be preferable to not have to bear the financial burden of the debt we carry and the associated interest costs. We’ll leave this part to another blog.

Keep in mind that there will be large capital improvement bills coming in the future for the recreational assets. Florida golf courses have to be re-sodded periodically (one was done since we acquired the assets for $1.6 million), tennis courts have to be resurfaced, buildings need work.

How do we get there?

This is literally the million dollar (a year) question. And no one knows the answer for sure.

But we can tell you what ISN’T the answer. Continuing with the private club model that has perpetually lost an average of $1 million/year (before MCA subsidies). In the last 4 years, golf has been BOOMING. Tee sheets are packed at most courses but not here.

Based on recent membership data, TMCC has less than 150 year-round full golf members. This figure does not include seasonal members who pay for 1-4 months or family members who only pay 25% of a full golf member. Doing some math, we estimated the number of full year-round golf member equivalents and it works out to around 300 members. Only the most expensive and exclusive golf clubs can survive with these few members (the kind where there aren’t dues, there is just an assessment for your portion of the total cost at the end of the year).

Why can’t the private club model work here?

  • In Meadoword articles from 2015 – 2017 TMCC’s General Manager repeatedly referenced the decline in private club memberships in the preceding 20 years. TMCC membership was in decline almost since it first became a private club in 1990.
  • Maybe The Meadows golf course and facilities just aren’t good enough for a private club.

At this point that question doesn’t matter much. The fact is that it hasn’t worked here for a very, very long time. It is way past time for the MCA Board to face up to this fact and try a different approach.

TMCC has never fully faced this fact. They did make 2 courses public and continued to have huge losses, but have held tight to the private club model for the Meadows/Members course and dining facilities. TMCC would probably have had to go semi-private (have memberships + public access) in 2018 as part of a sale to any buyer, but the MCA continues to bail them out.  Other local private clubs such as University Park and Rosedale made the transition to “semi-private” long ago. TMCC made a partial transition in opening Highlands and Groves. It is time for the MCA Board to finish the job.

MCA owns all the assets and holds all the cards

TMCC “owns” its membership list and some governance infrastructure (a board and committees). It has a small amount of fixed assets. But it doesn’t own any golf courses, tennis facilities or dining facilities.

MCA owns all the recreational assets.

The hard truth is that:

  • MCA’s golf courses, tennis facilities and buildings can, and do, exist without TMCC.
  • TMCC would not exist without the MCA leasing its recreational assets to TMCC.

Are the golf courses better off with having some members? Probably. But it doesn’t have to be a private club to have members. Current TMCC members could continue to be members and have most of the benefits of membership except one: exclusive use of the golf course and other facilities.

The MCA should be utilizing the recreational assets to the optimum benefit of MCA Homeowners. That doesn’t mean giving them free use (it of course wouldn’t be “free” at assessment time). But it does mean minimizing the cost to MCA Homeowners. So far, all MCA Board actions have maximized the benefits of TMCC members. There may be opportunities to improve profitability for the tennis, fitness and dining facilities as well if they weren’t private.

What are the barriers to getting there?

There will always be unknowns in change and the MCA Board would be wise to seek professional advice. The good news is that it is actually a great time to be in the golf course business with the golfing boom that started in 2020 because of covid.

There are probably things that have to be addressed in terms of MCA’s corporate “form”. Let’s figure it out and address them.

There are significant barriers to TMCC making changes in how they run their operation. TMCC’s goal is to benefit its members, period. Their year-round members who are the voting decision-makers. They are primarily long-term members and change is difficult. On top of that, TMCC by-laws have some barriers including locking in that single memberships are priced at 80% of family memberships (forcing single memberships to be unnecessarily high or family memberships to be unnecessarily low). The by-laws can only be changed by 2/3 of the year-round members.  TMCC is also limited in how much public revenue they can have as a tax-exempt entity (IRS rules).

On the plus side, TMCC has already outsourced the management of the facilities to ICON. And I’ll bet that ICON would be at least as happy to work for the MCA as they are for TMCC (MCA would not require the current money-losing private club model). We know that not everyone is a fan of ICON but keeping them would make for an easy transition and who knows what they could do without the current handcuffs.

Also on the plus side, the MCA Board anticipated the possibility of moving to semi-private when they created paragraph 29 of The Meadows’ Maintenance Covenants and Restrictions in Dec 2017:

  • they specifically provided for the possibility of operating the recreational facilities as a public facility.
  • they also updated it in October 2021 to protect the golf courses and Butterfly Lake area which may not be sold or developed without ¾ of MCA membership approval (will never happen).

So what should the MCA Board be doing NOW?

  1. Accept and embrace their responsibility to maximize the use of the recreational assets for MCA Homeowners, which means minimizing the cost. This is a commitment to keeping the golf courses and making them as successful as they can be for MCA Homeowners.
  2. Start figuring out a transition to a semi-private model (memberships + public access). It would be great to work with TMCC members to retain their memberships and we should work towards that. BUT we can’t cater to them to emulate their experience over the last 2 decades. Those days are gone. TMCC likely can’t be the operator as a tax-exempt organization. Instead it could mean leasing the facilities at a profitable amount to another company (rather than paying TMCC $600,000 to use them).
  3. The recreational asset lease is up for renewal on June 30, 2024. DO NOT RENEW THE LEASE FOR 3 YEARS. Probably need to renew it for ONE year at this point while things are figured out, but no longer. If the lease is not renewed, it would be on a month-to-month basis, with the consent of the MCA (per section 22 of the lease).
  4. Carefully monitor course conditions. TMCC has not done a great job of maintaining the public courses in the past and will be even less inclined to do so under a 1-year lease.
  5. Seek out MCA Homeowners who have experience working for or with golf clubs at the management, Board and Committee levels. Get them on MCA committees and the Board as soon as possible.

We do need to acknowledge that this would be a HUGE change in the MCA Board and Management’s accountability. Up to mid-2018 they oversaw a budget of $1.8 million to maintain the common roads and greenspace, and had a history of experience in that area. The sporting and dining facilities generate $7 million of revenues (and $7 million of expenses) and is a complex business.  

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15 responses to “Where do we need to be & how do we get there?”

  1. pasch1512 Avatar
    pasch1512

    I for one am very grateful you have taken the time and the due diligence to look into the overall problems. We need to get some people on the board that will take on all the issues and hopefully come to some resolution to make he Meadows a facility that everybody wants to live in and benefit without the financial burden that may plague our future. Now that you have exposed some of the past financial oversights, maybe more responsible people will take on this challenge.

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  2. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    I believe that MCA homeowners overwhelmingly agree with and would support everything that has been stated in this blog. I would add that the first thing the MCA should do is to send this blog to all MCA homeowners through Constant Contact. The MCA Board claims that it acts in the best interests of the MCA membership and acts with complete transparency. Prove it, please.

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  3. Leon Miller Avatar
    Leon Miller

    As long as the majority of the MCA board members are also TMCC members, there is an inherent conflict of interest for those board members. It will always be extremely difficult for TMCC members on the MCA board to vote against their personal interest as TMCC members. Having the MCA as their sugar daddy will always be their only solution. Those transactions need to be made as arms length transactions. As the board is currently configured that can never happen.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      It is our understanding that currently 3 of the 9 Board members are TMCC members.

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      1. Leon Miller Avatar
        Leon Miller

        That would represent a big change. Two years ago there were 6 board member or their spouse were TNCC members.

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      2. Website Admin Avatar

        Yes it would. It would be smart of the Board to be transparent on their TMCC memberships.

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  4. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    what would it look like to give MCA homeowners a special rate to play the Members course? Could that help increase revenue ?

    perhaps nominal fees related to tennis, fitness center, etc. for those using those facilities?

    we do think that the restaurants should be more accessible to MCA homeowners.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      Currently MCA Homeowners do have a special rate: $85 on the 3rd Saturday of the month but that is it.
      Fitness center access is included in the Renaissance Access Plan. https://sarasotameadows.com/2024/02/08/are-the-renaissance-access-benefits-worth-600000/

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  5. Kevin R Slattery Avatar
    Kevin R Slattery

    I go up to River Run and tee times full booked everyday better course and a LOT cheaper . Wake up mcc

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  6. Jeff Nicholas Avatar
    Jeff Nicholas

    Like everything in life, it comes down to math: charge nominal monthly or annual fee for the fitness center; allow residents to play (and pay) the members course any afternoon of the week; make all dining facilities available to all residents; all of these and more will facilitate transition to semi-private operation. The prevalent mindset about “we have to stay private” is delusional based on average at best facilities and golf courses that do not warrant that treatment…Kevin’s comment about River Run is accurate: too many local options with better designed and conditioned courses and lower greens fees.

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  7. Harold E Haynes Avatar
    Harold E Haynes

    Having owned our home in the meadows for over 6 years.we have watched this all play out. It has not played out as we were told in the beginning. It started out as a loan which would be payed back to the MCA in payments after a 2 year grace period for the TMCC to get back in their feet. Now it is an annual Lease with a $10 a year rent payment. We also pay the Insurance fees, property taxes, the loan payments for the latest improvements and the rights to have limited use of the property we payed for and have improved. We have all the liability. The TMCC still holds 1/3 of the MCA votes they had for the property they owned that we acquired from them. All this as the renters, not owners of that property, plus their own members property votes to maintain control of the MCA Board. We have neighbours who have no Idea what has and is happening, Maybe it is time for us to all chip into a common fund. Hire a Lawyer and Accounting Firm and demand as property owners a total Internal Audit of the MCA to get us real transparency of funds and take away from TMCC the MCA Ballot Votes, that have Benn allowed to keep. I believe Renters and Lease Holders do have the right to Votes in The Meadows Elections. It is just a start. I thank you again for picking up the Good work started by Ken.

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  8. Victor Avatar
    Victor

    Read article and all comments. As a member of TMCC and a resident of the Meadows I understand concerns expressed, however, the fixes expressed could very easily make the cost to the Meadows Community much more than is currently the case. Home values in the Meadows have out paced Sarasota. There maybe 100 members or more who would leave the club who each pay an average of 11,000 per year. I would not trust the administrator of this site to have the necessary background or knowledge to come up with this solution without knowing his/her background and expertise. My background is a retired CPA.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      It is fair to say that no one knows how a semi-private approach would pan out. And as we don’t know what memberships would look like, no one knows how many members would leave, but 100 members seems like a LOT. What we do know is that the current model has lost a lot of money every year prior to the MCA purchasing the TMCC assets, providing them for free AND providing $600,000 (effectively the same losses now being paid by MCA Homeowners).
      To suggest that the current private club model is the optimal solution, is to say that it is impossible to run these courses, courts and dining at less than a $1 million loss per year. That seems unlikely to us as many courses are thriving. We believe it is worth looking at alternatives and semi-private would be the least disruptive alternative to TMCC members. The MCA Board owes it to its Homeowners to thoroughly investigate plausible alternative use of the MCA Homeonwers’ assets.
      UPDATE: We do have some specific knowledge on golf course management that we shared here: https://sarasotameadows.com/2024/02/19/how-golf-courses-make-or-lose-money/

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      1. Victor Avatar
        Victor

        I think it would be great if we could copy University semi private and upgrade our public play courses. And I agree we probably would not lose many members. However, the Meadows would have to borrow millions to accomplish this and if you check costs for Bobby Jones and how much it will lose each year. Taxpayers will subsidize it. The cost to Meadows home owners would be much more than it is now. If we want to keep our open spaces at lowest cost we have the right situation now. 

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  9. Joe Welch Avatar
    Joe Welch

    DO NOT LOAN TMCC MONEY TO REBUILD THE COUNTRY CLUB ASSETS

    They cannot operate the Club at a profit. It is no longer a private country club anyway. We don’t need a private country club. We just need green space.

    When you’re digging a hole, the first thing you need to do is stop digging.

    1. The tennis club is the best in the area. Spin it off. Hire professionals to run it that will pay the MCA an annual rent (and possibly profit-sharing)
    2. Open the Meadows golf course to the public. It is a decent course, but does not get enough play. There are not enough club members to support it. You need a small pro shop and a cart barn.
    3. Don’t rebuild any restaurants. The restaurants lost money and they made members patronize them (F&B minimums). If we want a restaurant in the community, arrange for a commercial establishment open one. Lease them the land.
    4. Ten years from now, we want one public golf course and plenty of open space. Put the $1 million per year into converting two golf courses to passive parks with nature walks.
    5. The one course left should be the old layout – the Meadows inner loop and the Highlands back nine.
    6. Disband the TMCC Board and force the Club to wind down. No more funding.
    7. If we need meeting or office space for anything, we have plenty.
    8. We have some nice amenities in gym, pool and pickleball for the residents.

    This can be done. Start now.

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