Are the Renaissance Access benefits worth $600,000?

Here’s what we MCA homeowners get for $600,000. And remember this is for access to OUR $10 million of assets that we lease to TMCC for $10/year. (yes, there are operating costs but TMCC generated $5.1 million of revenue in 2021 off our asset for $10!).

If there are any inaccuracies in this post, let us know us at ForTheMeadows@SarasotaMeadows.com and we’ll fix it.

Let’s break it down, in order of likely value to MCA homeowners. Your order may be different but the conclusion will be the same. If we’ve got anything wrong, please email us at ForTheMeadows@SarasotaMeadows.com and we’ll fix it.

UPDATE: The Pickleball courts were built and always owned by MCA, not TMCC. TMCC is now managing reservations via an app that costs $1,000/yr. It’s “likely value” has been downgraded appropriately.

  1. Access to the MCA’s new $4 million Fitness facility (added to the TMCC lease for free). TMCC members have extra off-hours access. We don’t know how much use MCA homeowners make of this facility. Input from readers would be helpful on this. Rating: Great if you use it.
  2. Access to MCA’s Pickleball courts. These courts were built and owned by MCA. They were added to the TMCC lease for free. These courts seem busy and access seems fair. It is a growing sport. Courts were recently resurfaced (probably by MCA homeowners). The MCA is working on building 2 more courts. MCA homeowners will of course pay for the new courts. TMCC will of course control the courts as part of the lease agreement. Rating: Great if you use it.
  3. Access to aquafit classes 3 times a week (25 person limit). When the weather is better this class is usually full with a waiting list. It is held back-to-back with TMCC-only classes that are not close to full, but MCA homeowners can’t fill empty spots in it. Rating: Great if you use it, Bad if you are on the waiting list while there are spots open in the TMCC-only class.
  4. Access to fitness classes 2 times a week (25 person limit). Usually full with a waiting list. Probably also TMCC-only classes (Input from readers would be appreciated). Rating: Great if you use it, Bad if you are on the waiting list while there are spots open in the TMCC-only class.
  5. Access to the Jr. Olympic pool and hot tub. Almost everyone in the Meadows already has access to a neighborhood or private pool. Rating: Great if you want to do laps. Otherwise, meh.
  6. Regular public access to the Highlands and Groves golf courses (no tee time priority) but with 25% discount on green fees (was only 10% until recently). That is worth something if you’re a golfer. (UPDATE: The public can purchase a Players Card for $200 that gives the same discount for them and their group). How much does that discount add up to MCA-wide? In the 2023 MCA AGM the Board highlighted that MCA members took advantage of that 783 time in January 2023. If we generously estimate they saved $20 each, that would be $15,660 of savings. That is a peak month, but multiply that by 4 months and you are up to $62,640.  The other half of that equation is that TMCC receives 3 times that amount ($187,920) in green fees that they might not have otherwise received.  Rating: Good if you use it, probably just as good for TMCC.
  7. Pay-as-you-go clinics and classes: golf, tennis, pickleball, most fitness. Rating: Convenient if you use it.
  8. Access to the Meadows/Members Golf Course one specific afternoon per month: the 3rd Saturday after noon for $85. If that sounds comically restrictive because it is. Rating: Bad.
  9. Access to Fountain View Lounge from April 19 to October 31 and Tuesday burger night. Take-out Wed/Thurs/Fri. This would be a convenient dining option but that is its only advantage over all the other restaurants around. Rating: Meh.
  10. Public access to Center Court Lounge. You know who has the same access as MCA homeowners? THE PUBLIC. MCA lists this as a FEATURE but it is exactly the same access as anyone else in the world has. Rating: MCA grasping at straws for benefits.

In its Q&A the MCA sells Renaissance Access using the “pennies a day” approach. If you divide any cost by enough things it seems like nothing. That misses the point:

It isn’t worth $600,000 for access to these facilities (which MCA homeowners already own).

Here’s another way to look at it

$600,000 from MCA homeowners represents 10.5% of TMCC’s 2021 fee revenues. MCA homeowners definitely aren’t getting 10.5% of the use of all the facilities. Not even close.

This doesn’t even take into account that MCA buying TMCC’s assets saves TMCC more than $800,000 per year which is 10.8% of TMCC’s 2021 operating expenses.

Without these subsidies from MCA homeowners, TMCC would have reported a loss in the neighborhood of $1.2 million, just as they did before MCA bailed them out.

The $600,000 payment is a huge subsidy to TMCC and its private club members, with minimal benefit to MCA homeowners.

Update: If you needed any further evidence that the RAP payment is a subsidy, check out how little access MCA homeowners got when RAP was announced in the Dec 2019 Meadoword (pg 6) without any mention of the cost.

MCA HOMEOWNERS SUBSIDIZING A PRIVATE CLUB ISN’T RIGHT

 SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE

Your comments are welcome below

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21 responses to “Are the Renaissance Access benefits worth $600,000?”

  1. Randy Armstrong Avatar
    Randy Armstrong

    At one time there was a formula to show how much The Renaissance Plan cost each homeowner per year. Seems it was buried in the MCA by-laws somewhere. Can you post that? I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember something around $200 for my residence. Also, as an avid golfer, TMCC’s approach to allowing me one tee time on every 3rd Sat. coupled with an $85 price tag is weak. We’ve lived here for 4 yrs. and have used none of the 10 amenities you’ve listed, except some golf at the Highlands a couple yrs ago. So, to answer your “value” question- nearly zero.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      The Meadows Community Association by-laws and amendments can be found on their website, under MCA Master Association Documents, towards the bottom of the section:

      https://www.themeadowssarasota.org/mca-docs/

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  2. Bob Avatar
    Bob

    it’s criminal what’s going on here , there thieves. I’m sure the people on the board are getting free golf membership, while the rest of us have to pay. The 85 dollar fee they charge to play on the third Saturday of the month should be free. The sad part nothing will be done about it. They don’t care about the home owners here in the Meadows. Some of the rules here make no sense, especially the truck rule .

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      During last year’s election the MCA Board declared that they received no benefit from TMCC.

      When MCA purchased TMCC’s assets in 2018, the MCA Board members stated that they would forgo any equity they had in TMCC (probably wasn’t worth anything at that point anyways).

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  3. Peter saving Avatar
    Peter saving

    if the 600k were removed from the tmcc they would be forced to either raise their dues or allow the public (or homeowners to pay a reduced green fee) to play on their course in the afternoon. Have you ever noticed how empty the course is in the afternoon? How about the money that the MCA spent recently to replace exercise stations along the path that were just replaced a couple of years ago? How many people have you seen using them?

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      That seems like a really obvious change that could be made with minimal impact on TMCC members. However, there has been no “case for change” as TMCC ran through their equity and then became heavily subsidized by the MCA Board with MCA homeowners money. Why would they change when they have such a sweet deal?

      The only way TMCC will make changes is if the MCA (who owns all the assets and pays $600,000 per year) alters the terms of the relationship to put less burden on MCA homeowners. The only group that can do that is the MCA Board. Sadly the difficult part is how do we influence the MCA Board? Running outside candidates was unsuccessful last year despite good efforts.

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  4. Jeff Nicholas Avatar
    Jeff Nicholas

    To think TMCC is going to “give back” the 600k is not realistic, but there should be a compromise amount (150 or 200k?) that can be negotiated along with access to benefits TMCC members don’t utilize fully (aquafit and fitness classes). The issue is transparency…that’s the charge we need to advocate forcefully for. I’m a fitness center user and golfer, so I enjoy those perks; the 3rd Sat of the month May-Oct stipulation is childish (I never paid $85 but I played in the afternoon for $58)…summer golf membership has increased 50% from $600 to $900 not including what the 2024 fee will be…I spoke to an employee of the fitness center this week and “less than 5 people” take advantage of the extended hours. We need to find a way to crack the code on communication so these topics and others can be discussed and resolved.

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      Ultimately it may be that even when the recreational facilities and dining facilities are run to maximize profit, there is still a loss, and that running it at that loss is preferable for The Meadows vs closing the facilities. But it was impossible to discuss that issue in an informed, rational way with the (false) secrecy around TMCC results. Now that we’ve created some transparency around results, we’re hopeful that it can lead to productive discussions about making the recreational facilities less unprofitable. It would be preferable to do that with TMCC but it doesn’t have to be.

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      1. Jeff Nicholas Avatar
        Jeff Nicholas

        Agreed on the recreational facilities and foodservice option: not much of a club if you cannot offer those services. There may be a compromise position if TMCC needs to generate cash: greatly reduce the 600k subsidy and charge renaissance members a fee for the fitness center ($20/mo.?). Reduce burden on non-users of the fitness center and offers users a reasonably priced gym membership. Another cash flow option for TMCC is allow Renaissance members access to the Meadows golf course every Sat after 12p May-Oct…the course is deserted in summer afternoons. Glad we have started getting transparency which will lead to productive conversations to benefit both sides.

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  5. M Avatar
    M

    what company leases the TMCC? what are the TMCC dues? What does each resident pay towards the $600000? that Is the $ 600000 applied to paying off purchase debt of TMCC or just a subsidy for their operating expenses and for their members not to have to pay a higher fee to make up for that $600000?

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      TMCC leases the recreational assets from MCA who owns the golf courses, tennis courts, clubhouse, fitness center, etc. Remember that since 2018, TMCC and the golf courses are separate things. The golf courses are owned by MCA homeowners. TMCC is a group of people who own almost nothing (just some equipment). TMCC leases all the property and facilities from MCA homeowners.
      As per this blog post (and the previous one demonstrating that the $600,000 came about when TMCC was on the verge of bankruptcy a second time), it is largely a subsidy to TMCC. See the comment below for some info on the cost per unit/person.

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  6. rra78 Avatar
    rra78

    Found this under The MCA website/ Renaissance Plan Q&A- 

    Per person—$7 X 2= $168 per yr

    Per residential unit—$12.50 X 12= $150 per yr.

    Or $318 per yr.

    “What is the monthly cost for this access, and how will it be paid?
    The cost of this contract equates to $7 per month for each of our 7,000+ residents, and the cost per residential unit
    (per condo or home) ranges from $2.60 per month to slightly more than $35 per month for the highest priced
    single-family home. The average cost per residential unit is $12.50 per month or $150 per year.”

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    1. Website Admin Avatar

      Yes, that’s the “pennies per day” sales approach we mentioned in the blog. Divide a number enough times and it doesn’t seem like much.

      But their math is nonsense as well.

      As you note, in the same paragraph they say it is $7 per person per month (which works out to $7 x 2 x 12 = 168/unit/year) and also says it is $150/unit/year. But I don’t think those 2 amounts were meant to be additive (150+168=318). They were meant to be the same number.

      Their statement of 7,000 residents (obviously derived as 3500 units x assuming 2 people per unit) also contradicts data the MCA published in their 2017 strategic plan (page 6) that said there were only 5,000 residents “in season” and half that “off season”. Based on that data the average population is 3,750, which is almost half of what they assumed in their “sales math”.

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  7. G. Bereznoff Avatar
    G. Bereznoff

    We pay $3,800/ year to the Meadows. In return we get zero services. No lawn or exterior maintenance as we have a single family home. We don’t play golf or swim, we have a pool home. We do exercise but other venues provide Silver Sneakers benefits- no cost to us. The board of the Meadows turned the country club assets over to the same people that ran the club into the ground initially and we financed $3,000,000.00 of the CC’S debt. Why not rent to a cash paying entity? Answer, the boards of the MCC AND MEADOWS are interlocking, that is, board members or spouses are on both boards. Same with Avia and the independent homeowners association. All of them have voting rights including the MCC. why? So the MCC hired an independent management company sometime ago paying $18,000/month. But they kept all previous management on the payroll. Dual staffing. Why? not only this but we all paid $2,000,000 for course renovations recently conducted, and rumor has it $10,000,000 for the new fitness center, on the MCC property and CC members have better hours/access than we do. We like living here but the Meadows Board makes it hard to swallow. Before the CC debacle we paid far less than $1000/year.  The current Board likes to tout that they have a plan to repay the debt. . Yes they do. With the residents dollars. 

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    1. littleplatte2 Avatar
      littleplatte2

      Remember that the roads are private and not public roads. Same for the Maintenance of the green areas.

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  8. M Avatar
    M

    as in previous comment find a hospitality company that will not need 600000 to make a profit..if keeping 600000 allow residents full access to all facilities and at a discount ..like what is wuth take out only especially these days can get everything delivered..if Meadows golf course nearly empty ..can play..many people can’t physically or have the time to play 18 holes dont even offer 9 holes.but like to play or practice.why not allow renting a hole for an hour in early am or late pm if not impeding play. There are 54 holes available. With a plan to include a breakfast or in PM a sandwich beverage and available dining /bar at club..empty space empty pockets..why trouble yourself when tmcc get 600000 to do little for it ?

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  9. […] covered both this fee as a large subsidy with minimal value to MCA Homeowners and that this change removes transparency of the $600,000 […]

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  10. […] the Treasurer repeated the MCA Board’s new mantra that the RAP fee is $185,000. FALSE. MCA Homeowners are still subsidizing TMCC with $600,000, but now we’re paying that amount in cash, as well as paying $415,000 of property taxes and […]

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  11. […] what do MCA Homeowners get out of it? The minor Renaissance Access Plan “benefits” and we get to keep paying for ongoing capital investments in the assets that TMCC receives all the […]

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  13. […] MCA Homeowners are paying for about $540,000/year of TMCC’s normal operating expenses (property taxes, insurance and MCA assessments on the […]

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